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Minutes
Jun 14, 2006 16:38:20 GMT -5
Post by rogue on Jun 14, 2006 16:38:20 GMT -5
When we have our next meeting I shall submit them. Since our treasurer was absent and did not attend any of the events it was not timely to give them to her. I thought perhaps since I had posted what was going to be provided, asked for permission to do such from the president, perhaps he would take upon himself to follow up on it. I see, I erred, and will instead submit my receipts to the treasurer. The treasurer as listed in the Constitution is responsible for paying the bills the clubs incur by use. The treasurer does not have veto ability. If I as catering(which treasurer was part of) ask what does the club want me to provide for an event, that is asking for club's permission. I stopped catering when I saw after 3 events that the club was not in good faith repaying me for such work. Especially after Valentine's day when the fund raiser suggested fell through.
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Minutes
Jun 14, 2006 17:42:30 GMT -5
Post by lightmagus on Jun 14, 2006 17:42:30 GMT -5
Actually, unless you submitted a proposed budget beforehand, I don't see you as being "approved". Feel free to take this up with Mr. Harris or Mr. Kelso.
As to the constitution, after speaking with Mr. Harris and Mr. Kelso, the constitution can be interpreted as it is as the President having total power. As such, we are revising the constitution because number one, it needs to be revised, and number two, because I can and was encouraged to do so by Mr. Harris and Mr. Kelso. Given your lack of attendence this semester, and the lack of attendence in general, a majority is unlikely to show up for meetings unless specifically called and invited. But of course, you know this Antonio. If you have any complaints, feel free to take this up with Mr. Harris or Mr. Kelso.
On another note, I shall be deleting your Rogue_Gothics account from this site. I see no need for you to have two accounts. Your Rogue account shall be left untouched for the moment.
I also ask that you transfer ownership of the former club board over to me.
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Minutes
Jun 15, 2006 9:20:28 GMT -5
Post by rogue on Jun 15, 2006 9:20:28 GMT -5
First, the proposal budget was mentioned when I was given the job catering committee. It was agreed then that my budget was set at $40. If someone would like to review the past post in the archives then it can be shown I asked several times what did the club want for movie nights. This figure was set because of the cost of purchasing pizzas and I said that I could make varied amount of foodstuffs for such an amount. No, I do not disagree about revising the Constitution. My question was how many people are active members to be able to make the vote. I did not call for a vote or a meeting, I simply said I would bring forth such receipts at the next available meeting.
If a proposed budget was needed per event, that should have been stated at the first creation of the catering committee. Instead it was given that my budget was limited to $40 and that the treasurer should work with me on events to make sure we did not go over such a budget. I have went over the budget, but never asked for funds that was over such an event. Instead, I have only asked for the amount per event that I was assigned to use. As for requesting funds, I have on more than on occasion asked that after a fund raiser that I be refunded, but no fundraisers were ever done.
If a look at records are made, several instances are mentioned where I propose selling of food stuff ex 1379, proposals of what shall be presented for the movie nights 2046. The treasurer never has made a mention. Now, this is not her fault, so I am not targeting her at all. Our club did not have funds and it was proposed to contact SGA for seed money, which was not done.
Take Corpse Bride, way out I asked what did the club think of doing Mexican food, the majority went along with it. I even brought up the idea of Mexican food at the meeting preceding the Corpse bride. I even asked Owen if I could use his apartment to prepare the food. Jason was kind enough to let me do so. So, I spent the evening not watching the movie but doing food preparation. Neither the president or Treasurer was in attendance, this was after the president had agreed to let me use their apartment.
The reason this came up, I was speaking to a member and said I was going to officially ask for my funds at the next meeting, their answer was that the club felt I had out of good faith provided catering for the events. This at best seems silly and irresponsible of the club that would assume that I was providing a full spread for free after I had stated at the initial meeting of the year I would not do so and a budget was set at $40(again this figure was based off the price of order 5 large pizzas that go for $5 to $6 apiece, the cost of soda, ice and plates and napkins)
Since, I have more than one time made it known that the club was in a deficit due to lack of payment, I do not see how this is such a surprise that I would be asking for reimbursement.
As for bringing to Kelso or harris, I hope it does not get to such. I was appointed to do catering for events. I was set with a a cetain budget, was supposed to work with the treasurer which never was able to coincide with me, and performed my duties porviding refreshments. Now, certian members wish not to pay me back? Why the certian club members would balk at repaying me seems very jaded indeed.
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Minutes
Jun 15, 2006 12:32:22 GMT -5
Post by lightmagus on Jun 15, 2006 12:32:22 GMT -5
As to your proposed budget, it's not in the minutes. I checked. That being said, I am willing to grant that you may have been given a budget of 40 dollars, however NOT PER EVENT. I find it hard to believe that knowing the financial situation of the club that you would assume that you had 40 dollars to spend at every event. That speaks of shear insanity.
As to message 1379, yes, you mention pizzas. I see neither Scarlett or Owen saying "approved." As to message 2046, same deal.
And as to Mr. Harris and Mr. Kelso, yes, it is going to come to that if you want more than 40 dollars.
And once again, I reiterate, since you may not have seen it on the other post, please transfer ownership of the old boards over to me.
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Minutes
Jun 15, 2006 13:52:34 GMT -5
Post by ANTONIO on Jun 15, 2006 13:52:34 GMT -5
Okay, last post..On the old Newsgroup. I just called and spoke to Robin at Student Affairs. The Newsgroup stays in my possesion. Since the Newsgroup was made BEFORE there was a club, BEFORE there was an advisor, even BEFORE any constituition, nor does the description of it (Description says it is as a meeting place for those interested in scifi) the weblink does not have AASU in it, nor does the site say club. It reverts to me since the club has an officail new website, nicely provided by you. I have plans for the newsgroup, I shall not use the logo, or the club name, but I like the area it holds in yahoo.
On that note, since the Newsgroup is AASU is not property of the club, and you are currently now moderating this one. I shall remove your moderating status, since mine is nolonger the official site and it is not need. Any and all archival messages needed by the club can be copied and removed as I shall later today set the club messages to public(But posting private still). If anyone wish to unsubscribe. Please do so, if anyone wishes to remain on it, please do so, I shall scrub the list later this weekend.
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Minutes
Jun 15, 2006 14:13:07 GMT -5
Post by lightmagus on Jun 15, 2006 14:13:07 GMT -5
Yes. That's nice Antonio.
I spoke with Mr. Harris and Mr. Kelso earlier in the year. Given that club records were stored on the old boards, IT IS PROPERTY OF THE CLUB. If you do not hand it over to me, I will be pursuing matters in a more formal way. If you scrub the boards IN ANY WAY, this will be viewed as destruction of school property.
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Jun 15, 2006 15:14:40 GMT -5
Post by lightmagus on Jun 15, 2006 15:14:40 GMT -5
I actually just got off the phone with Robin at Student ACTIVITIES. There is no Robin at Student Affairs, and the one at Activities is the one you spoke to.
You are a liar.
She told you no such thing. She told you that Student Activities does not regulate communication between the clubs. You have once again, heard only what you wanted to hear and misrepresented the people you have spoken to.
You have offered in the past to transfer ownership of the old boards over to the current president. I am taking you up on that offer. This is the third time I am requesting that you do so. It is the last time I will do so.
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James
Face Hugger
This new ring kinda itches.
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Jun 15, 2006 19:24:15 GMT -5
Post by James on Jun 15, 2006 19:24:15 GMT -5
GO JASON! GO JASON! GO JASON!
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Jun 15, 2006 20:15:40 GMT -5
Post by lightmagus on Jun 15, 2006 20:15:40 GMT -5
James, while your enthusiasm for this club is appreciated, it is not really appropriate in this situation.
That being said, please take off the cheerleading outfit and change into something more basic.
Thank you.
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Minutes
Jun 15, 2006 21:08:56 GMT -5
Post by cordrym on Jun 15, 2006 21:08:56 GMT -5
Before we get too bogged down on time lines, there are some important legal semantics that need to be addressed.
The board, as an electronic product is owned by Yahoo.
The records stored upon it, are property of the University System of Georgia, specifically Armstrong Atlantic State University, more specifically it's sub-body the Office of Student Activities, and further, the AASU Science Fiction and Fantasy Club.
The board, as a communication and record storage device for the Club does predate the acceptance of the clubs application to the university for a charter as a recognized club, and the acceptance and ratification of that charter which was granted by the university.
By applying for a charter the club was asking to become part of the university, and by accepting the charter granted did in fact become a body of the University. When that happened, all pre-existing documents, records, tools and properties of the proto-club that were used to organize it, became University property.
The acceptance and ratification of the charter also marks the birth of the club as an legal organization. Though it was a necessity to organize the club before a charter could be applied for, the club did not legally exist until the carter was granted. As there is no separate charter, either non-profit, not for profit, political, or corporate, the "Savannah Sci-fi Fantasy club" does not exist, and this in fact, is merely the title of the on-line communication and record storage system used by the AASU Sci Fi and Fantasy Club, a body of AASU.
As the board has been acting as the official communication system for the club, and has been mentioned in club resolutions and minutes as such, it is a part of the club, under club, and there-go, University control.
Antonio, as what Yahoo calls "owner" of the board, is in fact, only an administrator of the board, not it's legal owner. In terms of the university, he is merely a "trustee of records" whose primary responsibility is to prevent the destruction of those records. In terms of the club's organization, this is a non constitutionally mandated position, customarily called "moderator", created by the president of the club with the assent of the members, which is appointed by the president. It was created early in the club's existence, and Antonio, as the first club president, appointed himself to it. According to the wording of the constitution, all such positions serve at the pleasure of the President, who is free to create, dissolve or suspend such positions, and can appoint or remove persons to and from the position at his pleasure. Jason, as the current president, is merely appointing himself moderator and is removing Antonio.
Mr. Harris and Mr. Kelso, have affirmed his right to do so.
Further, the University seems to take a rather expansive view of what is included in Campus Computer Services, and is taking the position that since messages were sent to the board by by students, some of who used terminals provided by the university to do so, that the board is covered by the Terms of Service for use of the campus computer services. Violation of that TOS by deleting records form the board, or failing to comply with the wishes of the club president as to who will have administrative control of it would constitute violations of the student code of conduct.
If Antonio disagrees with these interpretations of the legalities in play, and the decisions based upon them ___which have already been made___ is free to appeal them in the Fall when the student court is back in session. If after such an appeal it is determined that the board should be transfered back to him, it will be.
Until time of such appeal however, he would be advised to promtly comply with the wishes of the president, lest he be subject to what ever penalty that the administration should choose to impose for non cooperation.....
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Jun 18, 2006 0:44:45 GMT -5
Post by lightmagus on Jun 18, 2006 0:44:45 GMT -5
Since you have seen fit to change my membership status to member on the old boards rather than transfer ownership, Antonio, I will be speaking with Dr. Kelso on Monday about bringing charges formally against you.
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